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Permalink Reply by Disciple Mike on July 20, 2008 at 8:00pm

"I was told by a catholic priest that there is no marriage in heaven. How would he know this? "

Luke20....
27 Then came to him certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is any resurrection; and they asked him,
28 Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. 29 There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and died without children. 30 And the second took her to wife, and he died childless. 31 And the third took her; and in like manner the seven also: and they left no children, and died. 32 Last of all the woman died also. 33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife. 34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

"How come we are supposed to thank God for bad things that happen? Are they really of God?"

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.


5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ. 6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation. 7 And our hope of you is stedfast, knowing, that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be also of the consolation.

Permalink Reply by nicole on July 21, 2008 at 4:36am

Thanks Mike but I think you are misinterpeting the whole thing and what about the jealous thing? Can you explain this all a little better please!

Permalink Reply by nicole on July 21, 2008 at 7:05am

Also Mike please answer this: Would u thank Him if your child died???? You really think you know it all Mike but it takes more then a sixth grade education to really understand. I will be waiting for u to explain yourself. Thanks and please if anyone else has any input on this I would greatly appreciate it.

Permalink Reply by Disciple Mike on July 21, 2008 at 8:33am

"it takes more then a sixth grade education to really understand."


I guess then we are all screwed, because NONE of the early church were educated.

I am withdrawing from this thread, thanks but no thanks. I choose the high road..

Shalom, good luck on your quest for truth

Permalink Reply by nicole on July 21, 2008 at 8:57am

right Mike and things were alot different way back then were they not? And what high road are you talking about? Do you think you know more than everyone else here? I don't think so bud. Why are u withdrawing from the thread Mike? Taking the easy way out Mike are u? Just like always cuz that's all you know..Just like selling drugs for years to support ur family and then when u decide to quit you locked yourself away and had nothing to do with ur family emotionally for months and months..you just threw them away Mike and that's sick!!! You need help!!! ur welcome!!

Permalink Reply by Billy on July 21, 2008 at 11:48am

Hi Nicole

What is the name of the childyou are holding?

Anyway I saw your question, happened to be the first question I looked at on Holypal and I thought that I might first ask you whether you are looking for my opinion as to marriage in heaven. Or the Bible' opinion?

And then on your question about suffering, Have you lost a child?

King David prayed for the child he had with Bathsheba shortly after commiting adultery with her, (ok 9 months) he begged GOD to spare the little one'slife, GOD however according to the Bible took the childs life, Davids words on this are interesting you check the story out at 2 Samuel chapters 11 and 12

GOD bless

Permalink Reply by nicole on July 21, 2008 at 6:31pm

Hi Billy, No I have not lost a child. I am very thankful to have three beautiful sons whom I love more than anything. I was just useing this for an example about thanking God for good and bad things that happen in our lives. I don't quite get why we should thank Him for the bad things. As for marriage in heaven i will listen to both your oppinion and the bible as well. Also can anyone explain why God is supposedly a jealous God when he is absolute perfection?

Permalink Reply by Billy on July 22, 2008 at 8:50am

Hi Nicole

I am afraid that my opinion does not measure for much I have opinions on many things, especially as to whether or not the ANC should govern our country South Africa, on this the Bible is a little silent, though the Bible does tell me or inform me how I should vote, but that is a different subject.

As to marriage in heaven well there are two passages in the Bible which are both records of Jesus on this question.

"The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him, Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. And last of all the woman died also. Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine."Matthew 22:23-33

and from Mark 12:18-27

Then come unto him the Sadducees, which say there is no resurrection; and they asked him, saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. Now there were seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and dying left no seed. And the second took her, and died, neither left he any seed: and the third likewise. And the seven had her, and left no seed: last of all the woman died also. In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife. And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err."

These two passages specifically the highlighted or bold sections inform my opinion, I believe I am on safe ground, unless there is scripture to show differently, this has informed Christian leaders from both Protestant and Catholic backgrounds for the last 2000 years.

What is your opinion on marriage in heaven?

I will give answers to your other questions in due course,...

By the way 3 children? What are their names?

Permalink Reply by Kathy on July 22, 2008 at 2:54pm

I don't really have anything to add to the part about marriage in Heaven, that's been covered pretty well already.

I feel I can definitely speak to thanking God for bad things. It took me several years to understand that one and a lot of resistance, but I finally do. It's these hard times that have brought humbled me and forced me to realize my own weakness and that my strength comes from God & ONLY God. I put a blog on my page taken from Larry Crabb's book, "Shattered Dreams" entitled "A Parable." I posted it back in September, so you'll have to go into archive if you want to read it. I can really identify with it, though, I've lived it. I don't care to give a whole lot of details here about what I've been through, but I will if you want to message me. I'll just sum it up by saying I've been through marriage issues, a teenager on a self-destructive path, my daughter's teen pregnancy, losing my mom, I could go on. I haven't lost a child, but I almost did. All of this happened in the last 5-6 years. In fact, I've kinda gotten used to almost always having a crisis of one kind or another to deal with and probably wouldn't know how to exist without one going on.

Through all of this, I've learned a dependency on God that I wouldn't have learned any other way, so yes, I do thank Him for those times, even through the tears & confusion. I was also forced to let go of my own self sufficiency & depend on God & seek the support & care from safe people I can trust, which was a really hard thing for me to do. Two songs that have really spoken to my heart recently are "Bring the Rain" by MercyMe and "Whatever You're Doing" by Santcus Real because I can really identify with them.

I hope this helps.

Permalink Reply by nicole on July 24, 2008 at 6:09pm

I totally understand where you are coming from Kathy. I do agree most tragedies that happen in our lives usually happen for a reason and brings us closer to Him. It is slowly sinking in for me but what is hard for me to get a grip of is I have hard time when I see children suffer and wonder if this is of God. I don't want to go into much detail here either on the posts but will talk to you more in private..Thanks for listening! Talk to ya soon.

Permalink Reply by craig on January 10, 2009 at 5:33am

jesus tells us that when we die we will be like the angels( matthew22v30).

we must be careful how we use the word jealous but we see it as meaning wrong.
Exodus 20:4-5 says, "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God..." Notice that in this verse God is talking about being jealous if someone gives something that belongs to Him to another.

In these verses, God is speaking of people making idols and bowing down and worshiping those idols instead of giving God the worship that belongs to Him alone. God is possessive of the worship and service that belong to Him. It is a sin (as God points out in this commandment) to worship or serve anything other than Him. So, in summary, it is a sin when we desire, or we are envious, or we are jealous of someone because he has something that we do not have. It is a different use of the word jealous when God says He is jealous. What He is jealous for belongs to Him; worship and service belong to Him alone, and are to be given to Him alone.( taken from http://www.gotquestions.org/jealous-God.html)

Permalink Reply by nicholas kropelnicki on January 12, 2009 at 5:19am

In a nutshell, i'll give you my OPINION as to why these things are... first off, Mike's not the best,(mind you, we've butted horns a couple times now,) but back off of him. he jetted from the thread because at the time, he probably knew that you were so recessant there was nothing he could do or say to get you to look at the other side of things..

As far as thanking him for the bad things? Everything happens for a reason... i'm sure you've heard that part. but think of it as the bad things happening in exchange for a life lesson of some sort, or a reality check to those in need of one. Those are the things you'll thank him later for. You can thank God that you decide to look both ways when crossing the street, when you should be also grateful of the close call you had while holding your mothers hand when you were a kid for not looking.

Perfection comes hand in hand with jealousy... It's easy to see your point, but let me bring it to you this way; Let's say you built a house... it took you a little under a year's worth of blood sweat & tears to build this house, and finally it's all done.. the house is PERFECT.. wouldn't you be jealous if the tenant praised and gave credit to someone else? maybe the analogy is a little off, but hopefully you get my point.

and the other question about relations in heaven.. I heard from some pastor some time ago that you will know about the relationships you had in the past life (Here) as far as husband/wife, mother/daughter, but they will no longer exist in heaven.. is this true? we'll find out i guess. why this is so? who cares? we're going to be in freakin' heaven! :) hopefully this satisfies your question to some extent as I can't answer any better as i just got off work.

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