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Is it not a weapon formed against YOU?


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So what your saying; using an electric guitar to worship = the devil's work ? Completely disagree. Rock music has a bad image because often lyrics contain references to sex, drugs, alcohol, disobeying authority, destruction and explicit content. Can rock music be clean ? sure can.

I would like to remind people to look up the history of many popular pieces of classical music written couple of hundred years ago and earlier, then look up the meaning or the reason for the composition. What you will find is that quite often it was written with sinful reasons like lust, adultery, murder, etc..

suggested reading: http://books.google.com/books/about/Swooning.html?id=tqA5PAAACAAJ

@yousef     a bland hypothesis, are drums or a flute equating to devils work no; obviously so, .....but when it comes to WORSHIP of Jesus Christ, most definitely. Are you saying youre taking your guitar to heaven and when you come before you you proudly stand and play a riff or 2?  How many churches and Christians followed Michael Smiths' Christian music, then later it emerges he worships satan and derives his power from him.

Show me in the bible where music equates worship?  Who fathers music in the bible, its not God. It IS a powerful weapon of satans, you are welcome to disagree, even when so well disguised, worship some god with the music of the world. persons like Justin Bieber, Rihanna, the beatles and many more are the obvious choice, taking control of 'Christian music' is happening right now. Can rock music be clean yes sure, however we are speaking of music in the churches, whether its worship lyrics, rock, hiphop or more its all the same to me. It sure is popular and attracts members.

I for one will not bow, let me ask this of you: What does it profiteth you?  Might make you money and influence people with the lyrics; but I rather heed God's warnings ... be not deceived by NO means.

Shalom ...mere thoughts of caution.

PS: When I grew up I listened to van halen, thin lizzy pink floyd, so I do know my music, it does not belong where people gather to worship, didn't happen in the early churches.


the word drum is not in the bible....the word rock and roll is reference to sex....so calling it christian rock music is like naming it christisn sex music.....

there a lot of satanic symbolisn in rock music....

failed unemployed rockers turn to christian music because they cant make it main stream.

Don't join them in Antichrist error! Drums and organ are not in the bible? What bible you got? Pss.150[4] Praise him with the timbrel (ie drum) and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and  organs.

Minister Karl has misled many. Victory over Antichrist was given by Jesus to his musicians. The Harps of God Revelation 15.  So the Antichrist side of these churches are against music! Being against music is an error!  Not your fault I fault Karl.

@Taminator Joy=fun, Happiness Making Merry =Fun We have orders from God to have fun! God created us having fun! Let no antichrist take away your fun! Jer.30 [19] And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that  make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.


  1. [4] Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that  make merry.


  1. [29] And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might  make merry with my friends:
  2. [32] It was meet that we should  make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

US naval academy organ at services


drums used for voodoo and occult music, it has transgressed and the beat you can still find in todays music
drugs are mentioned in the bible....     keep well

maybe its all because I see either white or black...for me theres no grey matter... :-)


@ MinKarl....just because drums are used in voodoo and occult does not make them wrong or evil....just like because a certain rifle may have been used in a mass shooting does not make that kind of rifle evil and in need to be banned like some libtards are now trying to do in the US...besides drums are mentioned in the Bible anyway and mentioned to be used in praise of God .. >> 

Drums & the Bible

Do Drums Feature In The Bible?

Have you ever been asked, “Where are drums mentioned in the Bible?” Here is a brief and revealing study with a few helpful Scripture references.

In most common translations of the Bible you will find the percussion instruments tambourine, timbrel or tabret mentioned, these words are translated from the Hebrew word ‘Toph’. Tambourines and timbrels are mentioned on many occasions throughout the Old Testament and, other than cymbals, seem to be the only percussion instruments referred to. “Praise Him with the timbrel and dance.. ” Psalm 150:3-6.

In the preface to the New International Version (Hodder & Stoughton), the Committee on Bible Translation say the following:

“It should be noted that minerals, flora and fauna, architectural details, articles of clothing and jewellery, musical instruments and other articles cannot always be identified with precision.”

So what can we find out about this word ‘Toph’? ‘The New Grove Dictionary of Musical Instruments’, says that “tambourine” in Scripture comes from the Hebrew word “Tof” or “Toph” (Hebrew; pl.tuppin), the other English translations being “timbrel” or occasionally “tabret”. It says that these are indeed frame drums, without jingles, and adds that, because frame drums were commonly used in the surrounding areas that it is likely the ancient Israelites used them as well. The Oxford ‘Companion of Musical Instruments’ says of “historical tambourines”, that they are ancient frame drums, as far as can be seen, without jingles.

The word ‘Toph’, like many names for percussion instruments, and rhythmic exercises is onomatopoeic. In other words it suggests the sound of the instrument or the action of playing it. Other typical onomatopoeic names for drums are tom tom, conga, tambour, rek, doumbek and indeed the word drum itself (drrrrrum) implies a bounce followed with a stop on the drum skin.

Drums in the bible

Tof, Toph, Timbrel, Tambret - a biblical instrument

The modern tambourine is a “jingle” percussion instrument, commonly without a skin, and often half circle or crescent shaped, (although the round, skinned types are used in Latin ensembles and for other more grass roots styled groups). It would appear that the tambourine we find in the Bible was not a tambourine (as we know it) at all.

‘Percussion Instruments and their History’ by the late James Blades, also refers to instruments of Mesopotamia and Egypt circa 1100 BC. These include frame drums, small kettledrums (baz) and vase shaped drums made of clay. Blades comments, “In biblical references the words tinkling and metal are used in connection with bells and cymbals, but not with tabret or timbrel, (commonly translated as tambourine).”

This gives us an idea of what kind of drums were used in biblical times, it also shows us that when we see the word ‘tambourine’ in Scripture we can read it as ‘frame drum’. Frame drums are still popular today and found in most cultures around the world. They vary in size and each culture has developed its own playing style – one of the more unusual being the Irish bodhran played with a short double ended stick known as a ‘tipper’. These drums are highly versatile and can provide a dynamic and powerful sound. Compared to the seemingly male dominated drumset of today, which interestingly has a history of less than 100 years – size and portability of the frame drum maybe one reason more women played them in Bible times.

Drumming Mentioned In The Bible

Here are a number of times the ‘Toph’ appears in the Bible:

“Begin the music, strike the tambourine (drum)…” Psalm 81:2.

“Let them praise his name with dancing and make music to him with tambourine (drum) and harp.” Psalm 149:3.

“Then Miriam the prophetess, Aaron’s sister took a tambourine (drum) in her hand, and all the women followed her, with tambourines and dancing.” Exodus 15:20

“In front are the singers, after them the musicians; with them are the maidens playing tambourines (drums).” Psalm 68:25

“Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet, praise Him with the harp and lyre, praise Him with the tambourine (drum) and dancing, praise Him with the strings and flute, praise Him with the clash of cymbals, praise Him with resounding cymbals. Let everything that has breath praise the LORD.” Psalm 150:3-6.

“Begin the music, strike the tambourine (drum)…” Psalm 81:2.

“Every stroke the LORD lays on them with his punishing rod will be to the music of the tambourines (drums) and harps, as he fights the battle with the blow of his arm.” Isaiah 30:32

“Let them praise His name with dancing and make music to Him with tambourine (drum) and harp.” Psalm 149:3.

“When the men were returning home after David had killed the Philistine, the women came out from all the towns of Israel to meet King Saul with singing and dancing, with joyful songs and with tambourines (drums) and lutes.” 1 Samuel 18:6

“After that you will go to Gibeah of God, where there is a Philistine outpost. As you approach the town, you will meet a procession of prophets coming down from the high place with lyres, tambourines (drums), flutes and harps being played before them, and they will be prophesying.” 1Samuel 10:5,6

There is a strong theme in the Old Testament of the use of percussion, and it seems that women were more often playing these instruments. Aaron’s sister Miriam is recorded as leading the rhythmic band in Exodus 15:20.

Although this is only scratching the surface, we can clearly see drums appearing throughout the Old Testament and can conclude that, Miriam and others were in fact drumming in the act of worshipping God. 



 "Ice skating, basketball, etc isn't in the Bible."  ,,, You know Ice skating and basketball are really lame right? Just saying, If I wrote the Bible I might have mentioned the NFL because that is cool ,, but ice skating?  They had not even invented ice back then! I think Satan invented Ice Skating and ballroom dancing just to torture me.

Anyways, if you take all the stuff the Bible says in that literal western way and strictly ONLY do what it mentions you may as well live in a hole in the ground because everything is going to be about Satan, Sin and staying away from it (might as well throw the T.V out). Life is what happens when you live it. 

Just a few thoughts, I know your cool, but a lot of Christians get wraped up in that everything is from the devil thing ,, I don't get it!

All that brings Joy and fun in the Mortal and immortal soul is in the Bible In Christ! All that you Love is covered and you have permission from God!! Make Merry! Make a Joyful Noise! This covers all sports all music all wine all funfilled activities.

Yea, I think that is it "WE",,  I think we become the devil (or not) in our own lives and it is not so much the sin as it is what the sin can make us become that is bad. The woman in John chapter 8 is an awesome example , the sin did not have a bad effect on her , nope, she was clean, No Lamb, No scapegoat, no baptism, just a belief in the Son of GOD made her clean really, and I don't think that one can be forgiven that cannot forgive ones self. Even if the whole story is BS the concept is a very true one.


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