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Permalink Reply by Rik Davis on December 18, 2011 at 8:27pm

Isa.29 [10] For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

?[39] And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
[40] And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
[41] Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
[42] He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
[43] And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy.
[44] And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.
[45] Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
[46] Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.

 

Prov.19

1. [15] Slothfulness casteth into a deep sleep; and an idle soul shall suffer hunger.

 

1Sam.26 

[12] So David took the spear and the cruse of water from Saul's bolster; and they gat them away, and no man saw it, nor knew it, neither awaked: for they were all asleep; because a deep sleep from the LORD was fallen upon them.

 

Gen.15

1. [12] And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.

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Permalink Reply by Zomok, steve on December 19, 2011 at 5:03am

Yeshua, as the God-man (Theanthropus) walked on Earth in our type of flesh with all its shortcoming.  He stated that the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. (see * below)  The flesh is inclined toward weakness and feeling sick and cold, as well as to worry. The Word (or Logos) emptied himself, that is, put aside his powers, so he could be genuinely human and be a brother to his people.  Philippians 2:5-10 speaks of the humility of Christ.  (see $ below- doctrine of Kenosis).  Rev. Gummadi please excuse me because I don't know what your level of expertise is so I have thrown in a few theological term because others will read these posting too.  I sometimes like to use posting to help others acquire knowledge.  The Theanthropus did not know everything because he limited himself so he prays to the Father.  I don't feel Yeshua was fearful but more likely concerned with the knowledge of what was coming.  In short, he felt apprehensive.

Notes--

*Our flesh is very weak. The Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, where Mary has a special flesh is nonsense.  This doctrine actually denies that Jesus came in the flesh~~~~

$ Kenosis--- A good book I have read back in the 1980s was Christ the Center, by Deitreich Bonehoffer.  He speaks much about Christology.

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Permalink Reply by Rev.Dr.Nehemiah Gummadi on December 19, 2011 at 5:11am

Thank you Steve.

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Permalink Reply by alan walton on December 19, 2011 at 5:43am

Great explanation Zomok, steve....

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Permalink Reply by Eloise on December 19, 2011 at 9:30am

@Steve....

I agree with what you say....He was apprehensive....When He came to earth, He knew what He came for, and that was to die for all....

Though He Prayed to the Father, "Let this cup pass from me."  There was another part of this prayer, that spoke volumes...Matthew 26:42:  "My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done." 

He knew this was the will of His Father, that He indeed would take of this cup, and be crucified for our transgressions.....

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Permalink Reply by Rev.Dr.Nehemiah Gummadi on December 19, 2011 at 6:43pm

Thank you for sharing Eloise.

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Permalink Reply by Zomok, steve on March 15, 2012 at 6:17am

I forgot that I even posted here back in Dec. 19th.  It is important to appreciate what the messiah did!!!

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Permalink Reply by Rev.Dr.Nehemiah Gummadi on December 19, 2011 at 5:09am

Rikki! This is not the reply expected from you.  Actually what you want to say is not understood.  Hope you may respond in right way. 

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Permalink Reply by Rik Davis on December 19, 2011 at 10:06am

I believe what you mortals are seeing is God Mocking you...

1Sam.26

[12] So David took the spear and the cruse of water from Saul's bolster; and they gat them away, and no man saw it, nor knew it, neither awaked: for they were all asleep; because a deep sleep from the LORD was fallen upon them...

He staged that whole scene fully aware.

This is what the Father the Lord God is saying to the elohim. The words the Apostles heard "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."  is the way he put them to sleep by his "Magic powers" to stage the scene so we would know he was faking. The Lord pretended to pray for the sake of those around him so they would "believe I am the Son of God..."

Isa.29 [10] For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

 

The Jesus is totally awake. It is the Lord pretending to pray again. He mocks death from the cross. The Spear he took in the side is the spear of Saul!!!! It was intended for the son but the Father took it instead!

He knew this land was here because he created it. It took 360,000,000 years to build this land. And he knows it's here and how to use it. He is NOT human.

Hows that? That on topic Dr dear. I'm glad you came.

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Permalink Reply by Rev.Dr.Nehemiah Gummadi on December 19, 2011 at 6:34pm

Thank you immortal!

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Permalink Reply by Zomok, steve on December 19, 2011 at 6:00am

Thank you.  Sometimes when I am alone I think of how the messiah must have felt and I feel weak with the knowing that it is actually true.  He actually set aside his powers so he could become one of us and to show us how to live while at the same time carrying the sins of the whole world.  I feel humbled by it.  I don't just believe it is true, I know it is true.  

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Permalink Reply by Rev.Dr.Nehemiah Gummadi on December 19, 2011 at 6:36pm

Yes Steve. He set a side of all His strength, power even the oneness with the Father and He prayed as good as a mortal man on the earth.

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