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What happened to the Ark of Covanent?
We are well aware that the LORD has ordered Moses to build the Tabernackle for Him to live Himself amidst His own people. Moses build the same as designed and directed by the LORD and kept the Ark of Covanent (Ark of Testimony)in the Most Holy place of the Tabernackle and the same was shifted to the Temple built by the King Solomon in Jerusalem. The temple of Jesusalem was totally destroyed by King Nebuchadnezzar and all valubles of the temple were taken to Babylon. After that the temple was set on fire . But there is no evidence that the Ark of Covenent was taken away by King Nebuchadnezzar or the same was burnt in the fire. Now the question is "Where is that Ark of Covanent? please discuss.
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Permalink Reply by Rik Davis on -
The people forgot the meaning of the Ark. God destroyed it. The two Cheribs were Abraham and Sarah. Adam and Eve. The mercy seat was where Issac sat and Seth,and Moses. The Yahweh Sabaoth Child. It was never meant to be worshipped. It became an idol. Anti Yahweh, anti-birth. Anti-Christ.
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Permalink Reply by Rev.Dr.Nehemiah Gummadi on -
Dear Bro. Davis, I am unable to comply with you because the line of reply given by you is not convencing. Whatever you have mentioned that all the things happened before destruction of Temple in Jerusalem. The scriptures reveals that unless the LORD himself allow some one to harm either the temple or His own people Isralites no one can touch them. Here the thing is that the temple of Jerusalem was set on fire. Before that the total gold, silver etc. used in the temple were robbed and taken away by the king of Babylon. But no where it has mentioned that the Ark of Covenant neither destroyed nor burnt. Will you kindly substantiate your statement? As a matter of academic interest I am asking this. God Bless You.
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Permalink Reply by Rik Davis on
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The temple and all it contained were not allowed by the law of Moses...
Exodus 20
[22] And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
[23] Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.
[24] An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.
[25] And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.
[26] Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.
Therefore the Temple and the Ark were doomed. And Judah was doomed to be naked.
As for the Ark.
[23] Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.
The Lord made a dwelling for a human body he was making for himself to dwell in. THe Ark was not it...
Do you need more?
Isa.31
1.[7] For in that day every man shall cast away his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which your own hands have made unto you for a sin.
and of course...
[15] Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.
[16] They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.
[17] But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
[18] For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
The priests ignored Isaiah even after the Horde of Sennacherib was destroyed. The Worship of the Ark was great sin. It had to be destroyed along with the people worshipping it.
Also see
Isaiah 2
[16] And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.
[17] And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
[18] And the idols he shall utterly abolish.
[19] And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
[20] In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
[21] To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
[22] Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?
Love
Rik
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Permalink Reply by Rev.Dr.Nehemiah Gummadi on
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Thank you Riky. You have given a convencing reply but not to my satisfaction. My discussion is not about the Alter, but about the Ark of Covenant i.e., Ark of Testimony which was kept in the Utmost Holy Place of the Tabernacle and where in Moses kept the tablets of commandments as ordered by the LORD. (Exo.25:16 & 40:20). The same has also been referred by St. Paul in his letter to Hebrews (9) My question is that at the time of invasion of Nebucadnezzar (II Kings.25:9-17) every thing belongs to the temple was taken away by him and the temple was burnt , but not the Ark of Covenant. What happened to that? Of course as you said now the LORD wants to live in the human heart.He is knocking at the door of heart as referred in (Rev.3:20) However let's continue the discussion.
with love
Nehemiah
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Permalink Reply by Rik Davis on
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Yes with love...
The "Utmost holy place" is a child born of a woman hidden in the midst.
There is nothing in the temple holy to God. What men think holy is not incumbent upon God. We are followers of the Yahweh Sabaoth Child. Jesus by name. We know that men made images and claimed God told them to make them and that the men worshipped before these images in the name of Jehovah. The temple was an abomination and everything in it.... Everone clinging to it shall perish. Time after time.
My answer is that it was destroyed by God, and that the temple of hewn stone was rejected for the reasons that I gave. Also the bric a brac of the temple is covered by the threat of Isaiah. Against the works of mens hands. And that there is nothing in the temple that is holy. That The Lord in visitation makes a flesh and blood body for himself and the temple is antithesis to God.
Isa.41
1.[29] Behold, they are all vanity; their works are nothing: their molten images are wind and confusion.
Isa.43
[24] Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities.
[25] I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
[26] Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified. (ie remember the 3 kings did not go to thetemple or the Levites looking for the Holy! Only a decieved person would go there or to the house and family of the King.)
[27] Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me.
[28] Therefore I have profaned the princes of the sanctuary, and have given Jacob to the curse, and Israel to reproaches.
Isa.42
1.[8] I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
2.[17] They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
Let's enjoy ourselves in the Joy of the Lord.
Love ya
Rik
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Permalink Reply by Rik Davis on
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And it's ok!
You can call me Rikki
All the Rkvans are called Rikki.
And are staunch Heraldics...
So it's ok Love.
At the hole where he went in
Red-Eye called to Wrinkle-Skin.
Hear what little Red-Eye saith:
"Nag, come up and dance with death!"
Eye to eye and head to head,
(Keep the measure, Nag.)
This shall end when one is dead;
(At thy pleasure, Nag.)
Turn for turn and twist for twist--
(Run and hide thee, Nag.)
Hah! The hooded Death has missed!
(Woe betide thee, Nag!)
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Permalink Reply by Rik Davis on
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I had better discuss this further, and make it clear that I don't mean there is nothing holy in Judah! The scripture is certainly holy and the temple is holy to the people and the Ark is holy to the nation also. But not when compared to the Living child! that holiness is superceeded by a living child.
The way the thing is setup, a priest goes into a darkened inner room where sits the Ark and he claims that God speaks through the Ark and he tells the people what God wants them to do.This system cannot stand!od will reject the Priest and choose Isaiah! Why?
God does not dwell in houses of hewn stone! So what is dwelling in their house? What is speaking? What dwells on their "Mercy Seat?"
Acts.7
1.[48] Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Acts.17
1.[24] God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
So if God dwelleth not in it, is it in fact holy still?
Isa.66
[1] Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
There were those that would not go anywhere near the Temple. And so the Nation was divided and never came together again. Those that said the temple and Ark were holy vs those that said there was no holiness in it. Those that said it is a graven image they carry on their shoulders. With it a man could claim to talk to God. But God raised up Elijah,Elisha,and Isaiah, to work miracles and wonders, to show where the Holy spirit lay.
And Isaiah stood up....
Isaiah 46
[5] To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?
[6] They lavish gold out of the bag, and weigh silver in the balance, and hire a goldsmith; and he maketh it a god: they fall down, yea, they worship.
[7] They bear him upon the shoulder, they carry him, and set him in his place, and he standeth; from his place shall he not remove: yea, one shall cry unto him, yet can he not answer, nor save him out of his trouble.
[8] Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors.
[9] Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
[10] Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
[11] Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
Was he not speaking of the Ark? Was he not threatening the ark priests?
Isaiah stood up against the invisible that dwelt in the temple and the wood box covered in Gold that did reign over the city.... He was speaking against the Ark and Temple that held it....
I do believe.
Isaiah 44
[6] Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
[7] And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.
[8] Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
[9] They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.
[10] Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?
[11] Behold, all his fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear, and they shall be ashamed together.
[12] The smith with the tongs both worketh in the coals, and fashioneth it with hammers, and worketh it with the strength of his arms: yea, he is hungry, and his strength faileth: he drinketh no water, and is faint.
[13] The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house.
[14] He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak, which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest: he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish it.
[15] Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.
[16] He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:
[17] And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.
[18] They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
Love
Rikki
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Permalink Reply by AIL on -
According to 2Chronicles 5:10, what was in the Ark of God were the two tablets of stone on which Moses wrote the words of the covenant - the Ten Commandments. But it appeared little or nothing was said about it again after the glory of God departed from the temple with Israel sinning against God and led into captivity in Babylon. During this period, with the glory of God departing from the temple and Israelite led into captivity, it appeared the Ark of God(the old covenant) may have become of non-effect and may have been buried in the rubble of the temple which was destroyed. I supposed that was a season that was ushering God in to make a new covenant with His people. And Hebrews8:7, 8b, 10 says, For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another...but God found fault with the people and said: The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant...This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts...
In conclusion, the where about of the Ark of God which stood for the old covenant may have no detail but it is already an old covenant that was found faulty and have been done away with. And here we receive a new covenant for which Christ is the Mediator. God bless you, sister.
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Permalink Reply by Rik Davis on
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Yes. That's right. Certainly God removed it anyway. The contents were placed in the hearts of the children where it was supposed to be. But God knew from the start it was an graven image.
I think Isaiah was speaking against it!
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Permalink Reply by Vivian Ncube on
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Amen!!!
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Permalink Reply by AIL on
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Hello Rik, God instructed the Ark to be made and to hold the tablets of stone on which the Ten Commandments were written. It was supposed to be preserved by the priests and stood as a reminder to people of Israel about God's laws and covenant with His people, and to be observed from one generation to another. They never worship as a graven image or as a small god. God anger against them was not because of the ark but because they prostituted and served other gods. Remember it was only the priests that were allowed to enter into the inner room(called the most holy room) where the Ark was placed. I disagree with you to say God removed the Ark because it became an idol to the people of Israel. The bible never said so. If the Bible said so, then prove it by showing me the particular book of the Bible that said it. Thank you.
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Permalink Reply by Rik Davis on
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Yes only the priests. There was a lot of murmuring against God in the camp of Israel.
The reasons?
1.God had not brought the Children of Israel into the "Garden of Eden."
2.God had not taken the Children of Israel into heaven as he had Enoch.(see data on Rapture exploitation cult, also see Gadianton robbers, and robbers of the people, false vision,false teaching))
3.They were still subject to death and Moses had slain Abiram Korah and Dathan, in front of their eyes.
4. Moses had smashed their "Child of Hathor" image. The Golden calf of the Goddess Hathor? Which the Priest Aaron had made for them to comfort them.
5.They were still mortal and aging!
6. And this is the BIGGIE! Moses had married a Black african girl....
Do you know the Father? He likes to punish Children by making them gorge themselves on the sin they chose.
He made people eat an idol. Yeah he told them to make it. Yeah. He made them carry it around.
He has never regarded anybodies priesthood. He brings up his angels and prophets as far from the temple and priests as he can! Every chance he gets he kills priests and destroys holy stuff that priests use to attract tithes and congregations. He have never failed to destroy the holy people. He destroyed the tomb of David and had his bones scattered to the four winds! Not one brick of anything that Solomon built was left standing!
And this scripture is the conflict between Isaiah and the Ark Idolatry. I say again. They built a cult where a man would put on a Breastplate and a hat, Ummin and thummin, and would go into an inner chamber and pretend to speak with God through a gilded stupid box. And they would come out with pronouncments from God, and anybody that disagreed they would murder in the name of an invisible God that dwelt in the stupid box. We the Children of God were in Bondage to this Idolatry. They produced books saying God commanded Moses to build the graven Image and we must pray toward it. But the Lord sent us a Saviour. Isaiah, and he freed us from the Enchantment and lie!
He taught us... Never pray to a graven image. Disregard ANY body and their Holy image.
No matter what. Remember the Lord comes in a form eating and drinking unto our Father Abraham as a wayfaring man.
Isaiah was sitting on the rotting corpses of 185,000 enemy idol worshippers when he spake and set us free from a lying devil cult in a Temple of Hewn Stone. The SAME thing Jesus did!
Isaiah 40
[18] To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?
[19] The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains.
[20] He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved.
[21] Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
[22] It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
[23] That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.
[24] Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble.
[25] To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
And yes they fell down and worshipped it.
Isa.46
[1] Bel boweth down, Nebo stoopeth, their idols were upon the beasts, and upon the cattle: your carriages were heavy loaden; they are a burden to the weary beast.
[2] They stoop, they bow down together; they could not deliver the burden, but themselves are gone into captivity.
[3] Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb:
[4] And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you.
[5] To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?
[6] They lavish gold out of the bag, and weigh silver in the balance, and hire a goldsmith; and he maketh it a god: they fall down, yea, they worship.
[7] They bear him upon the shoulder, they carry him, and set him in his place, and he standeth; from his place shall he not remove: yea, one shall cry unto him, yet can he not answer, nor save him out of his trouble.
[8] Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors.
[9] Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
[10] Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
[11] Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
[12] Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness:
[13] I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
And we worship only The Yahweh Sabaoth Child our Lord...
Isa.9
[1] Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations.
[2] The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.
[3] Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.
[4] For thou hast broken the yoke of his burden, and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, as in the day of Midian.
[5] For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
[7] Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
[8] The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.
Love
Rikki
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